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"

Anakin…exists relative to the state of the galaxy. He is not Luke, he is not the youth of western literature on a journey; that is Luke’s role. Anakin’s role is that of the demi-god of Greek and Roman origin. When Anakin rises, the galaxy rises with him, when Anakin is in turmoil, the galaxy is in turmoil, when Anakin falls, so falls the galaxy. Anakin is intrinsic to the galaxy because Anakin, like so many other mythological demi-gods, is an avatar for the gods or, in the case of Star Wars, the Force. Regardless of any one person’s views on the Force (which are extremely disparate and widely varied, so we won’t broach that subject here), this fact is indisputable. Anakin, as the Chosen One who will “bring balance to the Force”, is its avatar. When Anakin is claimed by the Dark, the Jedi Order’s zenith is reached, the Balance is tipped, and the Order descends into darkness with Anakin, just as his return also signals theirs.


The title ‘Return of the Jedi’ doesn’t just reference Luke becoming a Jedi, but Anakin’s return to the Light, and with it, the ability for the Jedi Order to once more flourish. In this he is much like Beowulf, when the Geatish hero sacrifices himself to defeat the dragon at the end of the epic poem. Failure would spell ultimate destruction for Beowulf’s people and country, just as, had Anakin failed to destroy the Emperor, the Jedi and the galaxy would truly have been wiped out. Anakin himself has to die, however, because he is what tips the scales. Once he dies and becomes one with the Force, only then is balance restored."


 

-- ‘STAR WARS: The Creation of a Modern Myth: Cultural Influence, Fan Response and the Impact of Literary Archetypes on Saga Perception’

(via muldertorture)


This right here is absolutely fundamental to understanding the entire purpose of the Skywalker saga, as Lucas so painstakingly told it. The destruction of the old Jedi Order that had ‘lost its way’ and forgotten its true role in the galaxy, and the founding of the New, heralded by Anakin’s return to the Light, and Luke’s essential role in reminding him—and us all—of what it means to be a True Jedi.






P.S. If anyone is interested in reading more on this topic and on the significance of George Lucas' Star Wars as a mythology in general, I HIGHLY recommend the above linked essay!

** Original posts HERE and HERE.

 

Date: 2017-02-14 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Thank you for linking this, I had never read it before, so interesting.

Date: 2017-02-14 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
It is so interesting to me, because, fan as I am of the movies, I'm not very involved in meta reading of them. So, reading this is super fascinating and I'm glad you are sharing it. So I think I will be doing more reading here on out, so if you have some meta to recommend, I'd welcome it.

Date: 2017-02-15 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Thank you so much, I will be reading your meta and I now have bookmarked your blog. Such a good idea to make it and I'm glad that you posted this here, otherwise I wouldn't have come across it, since I don't have the tendency to search for meta.

So thanks again, I'm excited to read what you have written.

Date: 2017-02-15 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I am too! Otherwise, I wouldn't have come across such awesome post. (Just read about Anakin's time as a slave, poor kid).

Date: 2017-02-15 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
It is. It's not really hard to see that the poor kid needed some stability. And as much as I like the idea of the Jedi, they most certainly not the ones that Ani needed.

Date: 2017-02-17 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I agree so much with Qui-Gon being what Ani needed when it came to the Jedi Order. He would have been a calming and understanding presence that Ani needed so much and of course, being the father that Ani lacked. Not to take anything away from Obi-Wan, because he tried, but perhaps he wasn't the best one to train Ani. Yes, he did care for him and viewed him as a brother, but as you said, Ani needed a father (and his mother, of course!).

Date: 2017-02-18 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I haven't had the chance to watch Rebels (I'm not in the US), and I'm trying to see if the page where I watch American TV has it (haven't checked). But it sounds like an interesting show, I'm glad to hear about Kanan, it sounds like they are exploring the possibilities and the roads not taken when the Order was in is heyday.

In all frankness I never quite understood the Order's need to forbid attachment. Yes, it's a double sided sword and some Jedi could have had the chance of falling --like Qui Gon after Tahl's death--, but overall, it's also a very powerful motivator for good.

Date: 2017-02-19 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Don't apologize! I am so behind on tv shows, it's not even funny at this point. And since I follow SW blogs, I get the occasional SW: R post, which I find interesting.

I don't know if you've ever seen "Avatar: The Last Airbender", but your post reminded me of a scene there. The Avatar, having been raised by monks that all life is precious is having a hard time thinking of how to defeat the man who is trying to kill him and speaking with a past self, his past life tells him that as an Avatar, he cannot completely detach from life, as seeing it was his duty to protect it.

Which brings me to think that maybe that is what went wrong with the Jedi Order when it comes to non-attachment, by completely detaching themselves of the emotional side of it, they lost sight of how powerful emotions are, and how they can be both a good thing and in some occasions, a bad thing.

Those who have fallen seem to (to me at least) have experienced emotional isolation and since there is no support whatsoever, they fell to the dark side. Qui-Gon was close to falling after Tahl's death, Ani fell due to his mother's death and the fear for Padme's life and if those two cases show me something, is that while Ani could speak his fears with Padme herself, and she did what she could to sooth them, he still lacked more emotional support.

As much as I love Obi-Wan, I cannot help but to go back to the scene where Ani is speaking of his visions and he responds 'dreams pass in time', and I wonder if little comments like this made throughout the years made Ani weary of speaking with Obi-Wan.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say, is that perhaps by shutting themselves away, the Order was ill-prepared to deal with situations like these.

Date: 2017-02-21 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Avatar was such a great show, wasn't it? And I concur. The Jedi clung into a way of life that ultimately, brought their destruction. And I have no doubt that this was coming, even had Ani not turned, something, someone would ultimately done something that affected the Order as we have the perfect example on The Clone Wars with Barriss. She was perhaps the first obvious and most glaring sign that something was going wrong and they basically ignored it.

It is indeed Ani's emotional isolation that causes his downfall. Which is such a sad thing, because he was essentially a wonderful person. I don't know if you follow the comics "Anakin & Obi Wan" but in one of them (can't remember what chapter) Ani is doubting his place in the Order and perhaps thinking of leaving it; and Obi Wan tells him to think deeply about it. But I wonder if that wasn't Ani's way to try and reach Obi Wan in another manner that, unfortunately, failed. Ani's a very intense character, without a doubt due to his past life experiences and I wonder if Obi Wan was the proper teacher for him. I agree with you that Qui Gon would have been a better teacher to Anakin than what he was to Obi Wan (I have read some books that have made me think that perhaps Qui Gon wasn't the best suited to have Obi Wan as a padawan).And bringing in another of my fandoms, don't know if you have seen The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, but in there, there's a scene where Gandalf mentions that it's often small things/acts that keep darkness at bay; it makes me wonder if perhaps the Order blinded itself at what makes a person good and what motivates them to fight the proverbial good fight.

I actually agree with you on the fact that I also think that the Order was if not fearful, but extremely wary of all the things that involve the dark side. Instead of treating the brush as a learning tool, it's met with fear and distrust. And yes, it does leave them open to any sort of emotional manipulation.

You know, I also think that they also forgot that peace and calm can be achieved by letting your emotions out. Yes, there will always be people who are naturally calm and zen and there will others who will need an outlet for whatever is that they are feeling so they can achieve that calm the Order requires.

"Jedi should be trying to figure out how to balance and channel the emotions they do experience, and to be understanding and compassionate of the fact that some will fall into darkness at times, but that this doesn't mean they are totally lost or 'damaged goods'"

Well said.

Date: 2017-02-24 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Korra is good, but no where near The Last Airbender's level of good. And I'm a tad disappointed with the comics also. Korra suffered because it was cut (budget) and the storylines aren't as engaging. Yes, Korra suffers more blows than Aang ever did and you do feel for her, but for me, TLA is far superior.

Yes, I agree. Ani turning wasn't the only problem for the Jedi, it ultimately was the culmination of issues that had been plaguing the order, but not the whole source.

I love that comic myself. But I do admit that I'm also into the Shattered Empire and Poe Dameron comics.

You know, maybe had Ani known that Obi-Wan was prepared to leave with him, it would have if not swayed him to remain, at least reassure him that Obi-Wan cared about him enough to go with him and perhaps, it would have opened more their brotherhood to the point where Ani would have felt more comfortable sharing what he felt with Obi-Wan. But oh well.

Date: 2017-02-26 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I think the first 3 seasons of Korra are solid (save for the damn love triangle), but the 4th suffered from cuts and it shows.

Ah I see. That's fine, you shouldn't subject yourself to read things you don't like. Personally, I'm enjoying them, but that's me.

Oh indeed, what it could have been!

Date: 2017-02-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I second you on the love triangles, I don't like them most of the time.

Hey, don't be hard on yourself, it's ok to dislike parts of the canon. It happens. And I'm sorry that you feel that you almost lost your interest (listen girl, I get you, do you know how much I'm suffering with the DC movie universe?).

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed Rogue One, it was such a solid movie and I was so happy with it. I'm trying to get my hands on "Bloodline", Leia's book, by all accounts, it's a good one.

Date: 2017-02-24 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
I think the fear stems from the thought that the Dark Side is seductive. And while I have no doubt that for some it might be so, not every Jedi would find himself seduced by it. And I think Ani would have been better prepared to deal with Sidious had they thought of preparing him better.

Indeed. To be honest, I'm not sure why the Jedi thought the 'one size fits all' when it comes to the attachment rule. Some people need something or someone to keep the going. And I think by closing themselves in such way, they were very ill prepared to deal with Ani. And we all know how things go.

Date: 2017-02-26 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
You know, I think it comes down to a flawed view on the person's humanity -if you want to call it that- that makes both Obi Wan and Yoda's assessment wrong.

You might be onto something with Luke, after all, it was his appeal to his father that brought Ani back to the light.

No, I think you are on the right train of thoughts. I do feel that the Jedi would have benefited of studying themselves and the dark side more.

Date: 2017-02-22 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] socialyineptcas.livejournal.com
Hullo! This is actually Muldertorture herself! Please don't mind my lj. It's old. Extremely old. I actually had to reset the password just to get in to type this comment!
I'm really glad you liked what I had to say. Swifty and I talk ALOT about this sort of stuff, but she definitely knows about more of the meta than I do. Basically, the meta I would reccommend is linked at the end of my essay. I highly suggest you check out the ring theory. Between my meagre contribution and swifty's mass of sources, I think you should be set! If ever you want to talk, you can find me under the handle muldertorture on tumblr!

Enjoy!

Date: 2017-02-24 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roses4tonight.livejournal.com
Thank you so much, I will do some reading, thanks for the recs.

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